The Reconquista wasn't some kind of given. No, we drove the Moors out of our land. Will we do so again? Not if our Beloved Rainbow Rulers have anything to say about it. But maybe there's resistance to that.
Lots of Christian Martyrs and Kings in Spain. Starting with King Pelayo, one of the first effective Spanish war leaders against the invading muslim horde. 300 against tens of thousands, and he and his people won because they put their faith in HIM.
(See, watching tv, Expedition Unknown - The Hunt for Spain's King Arthur, can be good for you!)
Over 700 years of blood and martyrdom to free Spain for Holy Mother Church.
And what does Mother Church do for Spain these days? Grovel at the feet of the paynim.
Well, I was taught that Moorish rule of the Iberian peninsula was a golden age. One of universal tolerance and peace, where the oppressed Muslim and the even more oppressed Jew finally did not need to fear the savage, cruel and intolerant Christians. (Yes, I went to public school in a far left college town. What’s your point?)
So the so-called Reconquista was a disaster of biblical proportions, wherein the land was laid waste by pig-eating, pig-humping savages. When the noble and tolerant Moors ruled the land, ably assisted by their wise and selflessly world-repairing (and gate-opening) Jewish allies, then even the lowest peasant lived well and securely, free from hatred and religious intolerance. That’s just the plain facts and only an idiot could “think” otherwise.
So you gentlemen are dead wrong to talk about the Reconquista as if it was a good thing. And if you think there’s any parallel between the opening of the Gates of Toledo back then to the literal opening of the metaphorical gates of the US going on Right Freaking Now then you’re haters and phones and antis. Stop it. “You’re better than that!”
Do you want to hear the truth about the Crusades? You've been lied to about all of that, too. Guess what? The Crusades were definitely a righteous war against forced islamisism and murder and enslavement and destruction of holy sites and Christian communities by muslims.
The horrid Siege of Jerusalem, where everyone was put to the sword, for the most part, by the evil Crusaders? Seems we've been lied to about that, too. European war rules by the 10th century were based on a 3-step program. Roll up to a fortification or a community, call out for the place's surrender, only little change will occur, little tribute paid. Force a siege, then once the defense is breached by the attackers, the defenders were given another chance to surrender, some changes would occur (like the leaders being hung for being stupid to not surrender in the first place) and more tribute to be paid in restitution. Fail to surrender will result in a complete sack of the defenders including killing, mayham and enslavement of the defenders. This was done to actually reduce the mayham and destruction and loss of everything that results in a bitter struggle to the end. And it worked. Very well. The rules worked for over a 1000 years quite well.
So the 1st Crusaders roll up to Jerusalem, call for the city to surrender and explain the Westrn rules of war to the defenders. Nope. Then they bust a hole in the defenses and again call for the defenders to surrender. Nope, and the defenders actually started tossing Christians and crusaders they captured back to the crusaders, often with their heads missing. Ah, no. See Step III, kill them all and God will know his own.
Curious phrase there, as it was actually stated during the Albigensian Crusade. Cathar fortified city wouldn't yield up the Albigensian cathars. So, well, follow the rules of war, pop a hole in the defenses, still won't give up the heretics and, bada boom, bada bing, "Kill them all, God will know his own."
In case it wasn’t clear, the /sarc tag was heavily implied in my above comment.
Jizyah (infidel “tax”/protection money): If you want my jizyah you’ll have to scrape it off of your mother’s tonsils.
But do we “free” Americans not pay an even more insidious form of jizyah? That was rhetorical. Of course we do. Just not to Muslim overlords. To other overlords.
Mike, I'm a little bit concerned. Are you somehow implying Christian Catholic Culture (CCC) is somehow superior to that of the slaver, harem, pedo, head chopping, Moon rock worshipping Moors? Perhaps this is an incitement to riot. Don' worry, the UK will soon extradite you to Belmarsh. Yes, we have a TREATY.
Um, maybe some of the more radical protestant sects, the weird tent-churches and other places where only a few are actual 'saved souls' and the rest work to support and keep those few 'saved souls.' You know, like the Cathars.
But the more main stream Protestant movements like Lutherism and even the dour Calvinism, no, I don't think so, other than possibly showing that some could un-Catholic themselves and create their own versions of Christianity.
Seriously, the Cathars? "So, how do we know you're saved?" "God told me. He also told me you're not one of the saved, so you need to serve me." "Oh, Okay."
"Oh, look, is that Simon de Montfort and his merry band of Crusaders? Don't worry, saved ones, we'll hide you."
Sorry, /sarc tag was not recognized, so I came down hard on you with the fact-hammer. Was there an actual /sarc tag that just didn't show up or was it meant to be inferred?
Mayhaps you, next time, need to actually toss in a /sarc tag so we don't jump on you.
But reading your original post, I can find no implied /sarc tag at all anywhere in your original post, except maybe in the first paragraph. The following paragraphs seem more un/sarc tag than /sarc tag and that un/sarc section just really got my gander up, as I've had real people yell in my face that the peaceful rescue of the Iberian peninsula from the corrupt feckless natives by the peaceful and kind Moors was the best thing that happened to Iberia ever.
This from university professors and other professional socialists. Even people at my job, with full support of the company's HR and EEOC peoples.
A huge and disastrous betrayal of the Spanish people by the Spanish government in the early 2000's after the islamic terror attacks. And a huge and disastrous betrayal of all of Holy Mother Church's faitfull (and other Christians) by Holy Mother Church's bending over to islamic factions and the push for The Great Replacement of Spain's Blancos by muslim God-hating paynim and others.
And I will add that to my list of books to read. Thanks, LSP.
I've known some really exceptional priests in my 60 some years on this Earth. The Bishop of Micronesia, who let us kids feel the scars on his back from being tortured by the Japanese. The two priests who were at Kwajalein when I was an altar boy. Father Henry, who helped me in my questioning phase. And, you. Accept the complement.
FWIW I didn’t take offense from your responses. I didn’t even think you were “coming down on me”. Frankly it seemed your usual impassioned style on stuff you care about. (Not meant as a snarky insult, BTW. Snark is for people I consider assholes not worth the time. If I have a problem with YOU, I’ll tell you straight out.) Anyway, but if you WERE coming down on me, that’s your right (so long as it doesn’t cross our HOST’s standards). People saying dumb things should not be immune from correction. People saying dumb things arrogantly or rudely should not be immune from a figurative slap upside the head.
But ME saying “selflessly world-repairing” UNironically? And that’s the other overlords I was referring to, BTW. The opening the gates of Toledo (and doubtless the gates of other Christian cities) remark made it clear. Different century, different continent, same old tricks. It’s all so tiresome.
“God told me. He also told me you're not one of the saved, so you need to serve me.” Yeah, pretty screwed up AND arrogant, eh? Now is it different if we replace the word “saved” with “Chosen”?
Mike, we're getting onto weird and dangerous ground.
God knows everything, by definition, and that includes our salvation or lack thereof. So, for example, in the timeless moment of eternity he knows whether we're in heaven or hell.
Does this destroy free will and usher in a vicariously hateful deity? Calvin seems, to me, to say just that. Aquinas otherwise, viz. Necessary knowledge of a contingent event doesn't make it any the less contingent.
My dad, no mean theologian, put it this way, "Just think of it, son, as providence."
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Lots of Christian Martyrs and Kings in Spain. Starting with King Pelayo, one of the first effective Spanish war leaders against the invading muslim horde. 300 against tens of thousands, and he and his people won because they put their faith in HIM.
(See, watching tv, Expedition Unknown - The Hunt for Spain's King Arthur, can be good for you!)
Over 700 years of blood and martyrdom to free Spain for Holy Mother Church.
And what does Mother Church do for Spain these days? Grovel at the feet of the paynim.
Well, I was taught that Moorish rule of the Iberian peninsula was a golden age. One of universal tolerance and peace, where the oppressed Muslim and the even more oppressed Jew finally did not need to fear the savage, cruel and intolerant Christians. (Yes, I went to public school in a far left college town. What’s your point?)
So the so-called Reconquista was a disaster of biblical proportions, wherein the land was laid waste by pig-eating, pig-humping savages. When the noble and tolerant Moors ruled the land, ably assisted by their wise and selflessly world-repairing (and gate-opening) Jewish allies, then even the lowest peasant lived well and securely, free from hatred and religious intolerance. That’s just the plain facts and only an idiot could “think” otherwise.
So you gentlemen are dead wrong to talk about the Reconquista as if it was a good thing. And if you think there’s any parallel between the opening of the Gates of Toledo back then to the literal opening of the metaphorical gates of the US going on Right Freaking Now then you’re haters and phones and antis. Stop it. “You’re better than that!”
https://archive.org/details/the-myth-of-the-andalusian-paradise
Break your conditioning.
Do you want to hear the truth about the Crusades? You've been lied to about all of that, too. Guess what? The Crusades were definitely a righteous war against forced islamisism and murder and enslavement and destruction of holy sites and Christian communities by muslims.
The horrid Siege of Jerusalem, where everyone was put to the sword, for the most part, by the evil Crusaders? Seems we've been lied to about that, too. European war rules by the 10th century were based on a 3-step program. Roll up to a fortification or a community, call out for the place's surrender, only little change will occur, little tribute paid. Force a siege, then once the defense is breached by the attackers, the defenders were given another chance to surrender, some changes would occur (like the leaders being hung for being stupid to not surrender in the first place) and more tribute to be paid in restitution. Fail to surrender will result in a complete sack of the defenders including killing, mayham and enslavement of the defenders. This was done to actually reduce the mayham and destruction and loss of everything that results in a bitter struggle to the end. And it worked. Very well. The rules worked for over a 1000 years quite well.
So the 1st Crusaders roll up to Jerusalem, call for the city to surrender and explain the Westrn rules of war to the defenders. Nope. Then they bust a hole in the defenses and again call for the defenders to surrender. Nope, and the defenders actually started tossing Christians and crusaders they captured back to the crusaders, often with their heads missing. Ah, no. See Step III, kill them all and God will know his own.
Curious phrase there, as it was actually stated during the Albigensian Crusade. Cathar fortified city wouldn't yield up the Albigensian cathars. So, well, follow the rules of war, pop a hole in the defenses, still won't give up the heretics and, bada boom, bada bing, "Kill them all, God will know his own."
In case it wasn’t clear, the /sarc tag was heavily implied in my above comment.
Jizyah (infidel “tax”/protection money): If you want my jizyah you’ll have to scrape it off of your mother’s tonsils.
But do we “free” Americans not pay an even more insidious form of jizyah? That was rhetorical. Of course we do. Just not to Muslim overlords. To other overlords.
A huge and disastrous betrayal.
Mike, I'm a little bit concerned. Are you somehow implying Christian Catholic Culture (CCC) is somehow superior to that of the slaver, harem, pedo, head chopping, Moon rock worshipping Moors? Perhaps this is an incitement to riot. Don' worry, the UK will soon extradite you to Belmarsh. Yes, we have a TREATY.
Again, Mike, I'm more than a little concerned.
Are you saying we shouldn't give our money to our Beloved Rulers? For the good of the STATE?
It seems that you are.
But perhaps you're simply misguided as opposed to malicious and a deliberate enemy of the State. Time to open your mind and heart to SENSE.
Giving your money to the STATE makes you RICHER.
Got that? Or perhaps you'd enjoy a visit from the MET or the FBI.
Mr. Beans, I agree.
Now, serious question. Did the Cathars and their forebearers etc, add up to and fuel the protestant movement?
Monsignor Knox thought so, in his masterful book Enthusiasm. I can't recommend it too highly.
Longish but magisterial.
Um, maybe some of the more radical protestant sects, the weird tent-churches and other places where only a few are actual 'saved souls' and the rest work to support and keep those few 'saved souls.' You know, like the Cathars.
But the more main stream Protestant movements like Lutherism and even the dour Calvinism, no, I don't think so, other than possibly showing that some could un-Catholic themselves and create their own versions of Christianity.
Seriously, the Cathars? "So, how do we know you're saved?" "God told me. He also told me you're not one of the saved, so you need to serve me." "Oh, Okay."
"Oh, look, is that Simon de Montfort and his merry band of Crusaders? Don't worry, saved ones, we'll hide you."
Yeah, didn't work out too well for them, did it?
Sorry, /sarc tag was not recognized, so I came down hard on you with the fact-hammer. Was there an actual /sarc tag that just didn't show up or was it meant to be inferred?
Mayhaps you, next time, need to actually toss in a /sarc tag so we don't jump on you.
But reading your original post, I can find no implied /sarc tag at all anywhere in your original post, except maybe in the first paragraph. The following paragraphs seem more un/sarc tag than /sarc tag and that un/sarc section just really got my gander up, as I've had real people yell in my face that the peaceful rescue of the Iberian peninsula from the corrupt feckless natives by the peaceful and kind Moors was the best thing that happened to Iberia ever.
This from university professors and other professional socialists. Even people at my job, with full support of the company's HR and EEOC peoples.
A huge and disastrous betrayal of the Spanish people by the Spanish government in the early 2000's after the islamic terror attacks. And a huge and disastrous betrayal of all of Holy Mother Church's faitfull (and other Christians) by Holy Mother Church's bending over to islamic factions and the push for The Great Replacement of Spain's Blancos by muslim God-hating paynim and others.
And I will add that to my list of books to read. Thanks, LSP.
I've known some really exceptional priests in my 60 some years on this Earth. The Bishop of Micronesia, who let us kids feel the scars on his back from being tortured by the Japanese. The two priests who were at Kwajalein when I was an altar boy. Father Henry, who helped me in my questioning phase. And, you. Accept the complement.
FWIW I didn’t take offense from your responses. I didn’t even think you were “coming down on me”. Frankly it seemed your usual impassioned style on stuff you care about. (Not meant as a snarky insult, BTW. Snark is for people I consider assholes not worth the time. If I have a problem with YOU, I’ll tell you straight out.) Anyway, but if you WERE coming down on me, that’s your right (so long as it doesn’t cross our HOST’s standards). People saying dumb things should not be immune from correction. People saying dumb things arrogantly or rudely should not be immune from a figurative slap upside the head.
But ME saying “selflessly world-repairing” UNironically? And that’s the other overlords I was referring to, BTW. The opening the gates of Toledo (and doubtless the gates of other Christian cities) remark made it clear. Different century, different continent, same old tricks. It’s all so tiresome.
“God told me. He also told me you're not one of the saved, so you need to serve me.” Yeah, pretty screwed up AND arrogant, eh? Now is it different if we replace the word “saved” with “Chosen”?
Beans, I most certainly accept the plaudit and feel privileged to boot.
Mike, we're getting onto weird and dangerous ground.
God knows everything, by definition, and that includes our salvation or lack thereof. So, for example, in the timeless moment of eternity he knows whether we're in heaven or hell.
Does this destroy free will and usher in a vicariously hateful deity? Calvin seems, to me, to say just that. Aquinas otherwise, viz. Necessary knowledge of a contingent event doesn't make it any the less contingent.
My dad, no mean theologian, put it this way, "Just think of it, son, as providence."
He had a point.
Nice.
Mike, you're all good! I was high spiritedly expanding on the "report yourself immediately" line, which, we must admit, has value.
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