Well yes, if you're in the Diocese of Peterborough and busy welcoming Debbie Sellin to one of the COE's pointed hat top jobs. Debbie will become one of the shrinking denom's small cadre of wymxn bishops, presently numbering 7 out of 22 diocesans. Hardly enough, it must be said.
In the old days they used to argue that if we didn't ordain wymxn no one would take us seriously. We did and they didn't, hence today's pivot; wymxn in Holy Orders is a fundamental right, per equity, As in, if you don't do this you're evil.
So what does that make Christ and the Apostles, who famously didn't ordain wymxn? Bad sinners. And what does that make of Christ's divinity? Not very much, they don't believe in it much anyway. That in mind, an Anglo-Catholic in the COE has to consider this.
Before so very long every new COE priest will have been ordained, directly or indirectly, by a womxn bishop. Are they validly ordained? Good question and it raises a serious flag for Anglo-Catholics. We've always asserted Catholicism for our part of the Church, and we could do so, not least, because our orders were valid. Not anymore, not going into the future, and therein lies another and uncertain story.
Your Pal,
LSP
English Anglo-Catholics have flying Bishops who ordain our Priests. We have just ordained seven in London. No women were involved in ordaining them. BTW there are 42 not 22 Diocesan Bishops in the C of E.
ReplyDeleteGood point, Anon, but are you sure wymxn weren't involved? The ecclesial authority, under which Flying Bishops serve, argues otherwise. That in mind, let's get simple -- wymxn bishop figures will soon control perhaps 50%+ of COE diocesan positions. Meaning? Massively invalid ordinations. Move that forward 50 years. Even more invalidity.
DeleteThat's sunk, obviously. But your call? Can you preserve and expand catholic integrity in the COE? Hey, I'm in that very same business :)
The ecclesiastical garb that looks like it's made from the fabric of a cheap motel comforter is so awe-inspiring, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteTraditional ecclesiastical garments, for all, from the upper clergy to the lowest deacon and alter-server. Because majesty and mystery matters.
Part of me wants to say "Since the ordination is done in good faith, He will accept the frocking." And part of me cringes at that question, which leads to 'a priest is a priest when the priest acknowledges himself as a priest.' That's waaaay too protestanistic for this old Catholic soul.
cheap motel comforter
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Maybe instead of seeking to recapture Constantinople, perhaps getting the Church HEALTHY in Christ might bring that about.
ReplyDeleteRotten roots make a mighty oak fall.
Dammit, M, I want to recapture Constantinople! OK, there's work to be done.
DeleteShe looks like a goofball, LSP. One would expect at least a modicum of gravitas, not a clown in a clown costume. Of course, if entertainment under the big top is the tune of the steam calliope, shouldn't she have a monkey? You know one of those trained monkeys that goes up to you, you put a penny in the cup and he doffs his little cap. They already have the fat bearded women as attractions. Maybe a petting zoo in the form of a manger with a plaster baby Jesus. The donkey shouldn't be used in one of those "shows" - the less said of that the better.
ReplyDeleteLL, you do recall the Monkey. "Where's the money?" Huh, "Have a look, look real hard, put your hand up there and find it, go right ahead."
DeleteI understand you can shoot a monkey in Africa for around $150.
"a pestilence numbering 7 out of 22 diocesans"
ReplyDeleteThere, fixed it for you. When even a Protestant can see the problem, blinded by Satan must they be.